What'd I miss?

Some bad pirate jokes

Damn

Or should I say, "Arrrrrr...."

Yep

So Skype totally rules man

Sec, on phone

I signed up for a SkyeIn #, so I can have people call my number and I can pick up on my computer

no probl

Out Guest Daniel Newman is running about 10 minutes late

Hey Maegen!

Hello

sorry I missed the pirate jokes

I'm glad you could make it

Don't worry, they are usually terrible

i had one prepared specifically for tonight's festivities

well don't wait, dish it out!

A pirate walks into a bar with a steering wheel down the front of his pants.

He sits down at the bar and orders a drink.

Hi Gillian, glad you could make it

The bartender brings it to him and asks "What's the wheel for"

And the Pirate responds "Arrr, it's drivin' me nuts"

Hi Shea, glad to be here

That was terrible Maegen

very nice

Gillian, people tend to show up rock star late here, so we actually don't end up getting started for 10-15 minutes

just so you don't think we just tell bad pirate jokes all night

;)

Ah, sounds like you'r on BC time.....

nice!

I think it's also been called Boulder time

It's perfect that we're using Campfire for tonight's disucssion

I've always called it princess time. I am never late nor am I early. I arrive precisely when I mean to.

the company who makes CF is very Web 2.0

lol

Now I am not the most web savvy person.

What exactly is Web 2.0

I'll cover it in my intro, but the quick definition could be seeing the web as a platform, more like a program you have loaded on your computer than a website. It's much broader than that, but that's one of the basic ideas

got it

I think even if you asked six people who "know" what Web 2.0 is, you'd get a different answer

;)

OK, since new people can scroll up and read to catch up, we will start in 2 minutes.

two minute warning

get your snacks or hit the BR now, smoke 'em if you got 'em

and get off the phone Jason

;D

Wow. That WAS terrible Maegen

(sorry, getting caught up - pirate joke)

I do what I can

:)

Oh, and I'm off the phone

Free business idea:

Start a company selling clothing that has sewn in solar paneling

clothing and accessories

daisy chainable too

Here are some things a web 2.0 company might utilize:

hold on Jason, let me get this officially going

I actually planned ahead of time

;)

no way

Oh, right on. Sorry bro

paster

crap

That's annoyring

LOL! I think if you paste it into notepad first it might not do that

it's out of notepad, let me see...

Paste test

Tonight we'll be discussing Web 2.0, Green Business, and the convergence of the two.

ok, good to go, my appologies for the technical difficulties

For those unfamiliar or a little hazy about what Web 2.0 is exactly, I'll run through a quick definition.

Web 2.0 was coined by the folks at O'Reilly Media. I'll quote from their history of the concept:

The concept of "Web 2.0" began with a conference brainstorming session between O'Reilly and MediaLive International. Dale Dougherty, web pioneer and O'Reilly VP, noted that far from having "crashed", the web was more important than ever, with exciting new applications and sites popping up with surprising regularity. What's more, the companies that had survived the collapse seemed to have some things in common. Could it be that the dot-com collapse marked some kind of turning point for the web, such that a call to action such as "Web 2.0" might make sense? We agreed that it did, and so the Web 2.0 Conference was born.

Daniel!

Catch up, we just got started

I'll apologize ahead of time for the pirate joke

excellent!

Hey Stephen - good to see you. Didn't take you long to jump right in (which is awesome)! (he signed up for GB.net just today)

say that 5 times fast

Open this jpeg up to see the Web 2.0 Meme Map that was put together by O'Rielly:

So the question we find ourselves faced with is how to use Web 2.0 to build green apps that both make profit and do something to help save the planet?

Hi there...Just trying to figure out what's going on here :-)

Our special guest tonight is Daniel Newman. I will quote from my blog:

Pirate jokes, mostly.

...the brains behind Pocket Fuzz, Zuvo (which he started when he was 20), and an in-stealth-mode wireless app. He’s also my tech partner with Offset My Life and will probably be involved in my in-stealth-mode green eCommerce app. He’s hip, techy, a little geeky (the good kind), and knows his sh*t when it comes to Web 2.0.

We'll start off tonight by letting everyone catch up with all the text I just pasted, then opening the floor to Daniel to give an intro on himself and what gives him the right to even be a Special Guest ;)

Then it's open to questions and freeflow disucssion

Take it away Daniel

thanks shea

i began hacking (the good kind) when i was about 12 and have been on the computer ever since

over the past few years i have been developing apps that would now fall under the category of web 2.0

Hey Ryan

Hey Ryan

lol

if anyone has any question, let em fly

if they are technology related, even better

While chatting with me back channel via Skype

;)

I have a questions- how much Greeness have you seen, if any, in Web 2.0 companies?

hmm

in the hundreds of new web 2.0 companies coming out weekly i would have to say that i havent seen any real mentions of green

as a focus

what kind of apps have you been developing adn what defines them as Web 2.0?

where do you think the biggest opportunities lie in mergine Green with Web 2.0?

and nothing really pops to mind as even a mention...

mergine = merging

Also, I just want to share some things that I think of when I think of web 2.0 (for those who may not be so familiar with the term. They include - peer production - user generated content - revenue sharing (love this!) - and social software

what about green businesses that are using web 2.0 effectively, or Web 1.0 for that matter

right on jason

I looooovve revenue sharing

Welcome Pete!

Hi guys, sorry I'm late

i think hosting companies are doing well with green

We're not too far along, you'll be able to catch up quick Pete

at least in putting it as a market differentiator

The reve share is going to make OffsetMyLife hUgE. I mean, what could be better: save the planet and make money. Sign me up! (You know, if I wasn't already)

I think a green Digg would be awesome

if you can get the community there

which is a very "Web 1.0" type of company

For the green scene "revenue sharing" could even be replaced by "generated revenue for non-profits". Sort of like squidoo did before they started offering rev share to lensmasters

how do you see a green digg working shea?

Thanks for the link Ryan

just like that, just a green news and links Digg

well there it is!

thats great

Help. whats a Digg?

Wow. That was fast Ryan. Just throw a little code together did you:-)

thanks

SO basically the readers/users decide what is important instead of "the man". Sort of the opposite of Fox "News"

Faux News

lol

Digg was started by a former IT guy and TV host with G4, the gaming/text network

are there any other things that can get voted to the top of something?

big success real quick

I think Digg presents a nice filter for me to filter

i like hugg, but its really just news again...cool concept, but i bet there's something else

Is Hugg from Treehugger? It looks like it may be

i dont know exactly, but i bet there is some sort of community force that could happen to propel something

it appears to be from treehugger

news is a great and easy thing to push and manage

but what if the votes were credits (maybe tied to dollars) that actually went toward something

community fund raising perhaps?

that's a great idea

micro transactions towards different causes

exactly

you may only give $.50, but multiply that out by 10,000

that would be incredible

The Hunger Site - http://www.thehungersite.com - is what got me started in this whole green/internet business thing. I'm wondering was a TheHungerSite.com Web 2.0 would look like?

sounds like Daniel came up with it

you could scale it down to ads even?

I wonder if a website that targets greenies like that would have a higher ad click rate because people knew the funds were going towards a non-profit

I also founded Planet-Save.com (a web based e-mail system that saved 5 square feet of rainforest for each e-mail sent or received) when I was in college. I often wonder what the next step beyond that (to web 2.0) there might be to take

where did the money come from?

that was a sweet idea Jason

advertisers?

(that is a sweet idea btw)

essentialy a pay per click campaign?

that would be awesome

Yes, I can say that greed ads on a green "donation generation" site have higher CTR. For example, our Click to donate feature on RedJellyfish.com http://www.redjellyfish.com/ has CTR between 1% and 3% which is 4 - 12 times higher than the industry average

nice

that is impressive response

Daniel - advertisers. It was like hotmail, everytime an e-mail was composed/sent a banner ad was shown. Green companies would pay us to advertise then we take the appropriate amount and donate it to The World Land Trust

Thanks, I had a lot of fun working on it. Kind of regret selling it

Why did you sell?

And is it still maintained?

Then we added opt-ins to the registration page ("get your planet-save.com e-mail address started off right with these great newsletters") and that was huge

Daniel, would you say it's harder or easier to develop a Web 2.0 app and why?

Maegen - well.....money. It was a year after I graduated college and the amount was more than I had ever seen. In the end, I could have made a lot more by KEEPING it (and done a lot more good). Lesson learned I guess

Hey, I say flip when you can man

You have a successful startup under your belt

true that.

and a lot of time ahead of you to kick ass with all you learned

It is still mantained, you can see it here (it has changed a LOT since I sold it). http://www.planet-save.com

i would say that in comparison to a web 1.0 company, a web 2.0 is both quicker and cheaper to develop

That's a good point, which I need to keep telling myself. If I hadn't sold it, I probably never would have started GreenBusiness.net

even if the thing flops, you havent lost a ton of money

and you wouldn't be here right now

Daniel - what are the three web 2.0 companies that you think have the largest potential?

Shea - that's exaclty right!

current ones? or things that havent been invented yet?

how about both

I would like to see 3 for both categories :-) (Dibs on the ones that haven't been started yet)

and if you would, why is it cheaper to develop Web 2.0 companies?

Dibs will cost you $.83

.83 cents? Hmm...will need to talk with my banker....

thats exactly right

software and hosting cost close to nothing

development is either done by one person or a very very small team

I'll see your $.83, and raise you to $.87. ;)

which is either you, or some college kids

Doh!

absolutely

im still trying to come up with my list of web 2.0 companies...there are some huge ones that are obviously met their potential...

what's Web 3.0 look like to you?

So Daniel, you do programming yourself then. Ajax? Ruby On Rails? .......

i think there are some really big categories, social (myspace, tagworld), file sharing (you tube, flickr)

Take a look at this when you all ave time

ya, PHP, AJAX, a little RoR...nothing big with RoR yet...

Mark Cuban talking about how much bandwidth a future wired home will need

He came up with 100MB/sec as a basic home package

Very cool

web 3.0? good question...i would say that its probably transparent web 2.0

Screw fiber, WiMax

Infrastructure 2.0

meaning all of your "files" (images, video, text)will automaticaly get sent to a server

no work on your part

and it wont matter which device you are tyring to access it from

it will be there

fiber is nice, it's big

and fast

it's just expensive

all of your contacts will be immediatly at hand...

WiMax!

It will be iLife

Talked a little about this last time but would love to create a virutal environment (Second Life/ World of Warcraft) where the actions people take have positive consequences in the real world. Like if you drill a well for a village in Africa in the virtual environment, a well in a real village in Africa is actually drilled (well maybe not THAT closely tied) but something like the hunger site where an action on the Internet leads to positive consequences in the real world. Just not sure what the premise would be / where the funds would come from. Etc

your fridges will keep track of your food via RFID and will sent a shopping list to your cart at the store, or you can just have it automatically delivered every week

The City of Bremerton (my hometown) is discussing the possibility of creating a "wireless cloud" over the downtown core that would be supported by fibre

Jason, we should talk. There is a lot of room in SL for something like that

So how's web 2.0 going to get rid of co2 emissions?

the fundds would come from the people in SL

definitely

thats a lot of what we are doing in the mobile space

They Offset

Ryan - MeetUp.com?

woo!

Shea - lets! Still haven't plugged into SL but NEED to for sure

Jason, go download it and make an account, I'll show you around

and we'll talk about your idea

Ryan, it's so funny how I have friends who I have neither met nor even spoken to

I love the net and what's it's turning into

it really is amazing

I remember being 12 and being absolutely amazed that I put up an ugly all text one image webpage for my dad's restaurant

Will do for sure

no, 14 now that I think abou tit

it was 92

It's amazing how different the world our children are growing up in.

14 in '92-damn, I'm old

What's crazy is I didn't sent my first e-mail until I went to college, and my the time I graduated I was runnint TWO Internet companies. Man

Is it terrible that I had an idea to have my daughter (3.5 years old) find things she liked in a whole sale catelog and create a website branded for her? "Ayla's Website"

look how far we've come and how for we can go. high tech and high touch

I was born in 1978, good ol' class of 96

Heck no! Get 'em early!

I graduated HS in 79

100% of the profits will go in to her bank account

Same here Shea. ' 78 '96 (err 2001 for college)

I was a year old!

I didn't quite graduate college

i got you by 2 pete

yet

:D

my 4.5 year old son know almost as much about the computer as I do. Which is exciting and scary

that's great Maegen

there is a website for Photoshop for kids

Wow, many of us are clsoe....

Thanks for that Stephen!

I spent 15 minutes with Ayla a few weeks back and she had a ball

what's the site?

All I did was pick the colors she wanted and changed the brush size every now and then

I don't remember, but I bet I hvae it in my del.icio.us tags, let me check real quick

sweet

ha. remember when you could dial a number with a .... dial?

and only one phone in the house

but it worked in a blackout!

5 years ago I didn't even own a cell phone and now I can't leave the house without it

Couldn't find it, hadn't tagged it, but have this to get you started

Times...they are a changin' :-)

Maegen-I had that exact thought today. I don't have a landline anymore

I am even thinking of dropping my cell phone and juyst having a Skype #

i havent had a land line for 6 years...

Daniel, are you familiar with this product and all the crazy things you can do by tweaking it?

I've been considering getting rid of my landline but my concern with a small child is the ability to dail 911 in an emergency

I think I read an article in Wired about it

and had the same number for 10 years...

YES! asterisk is amazing

not very user friendly at this point...but its so much fun to hack around with

Can I ask everyone a quick question?

You just did!

shoot

<snark>

How would you feel about me getting a sponsor for the Chats? I would give a little thaqnks at the start and finish and they would pay for the actual costs of the Campfire acount

that wouldn't offend me.

fine by me, why not

What if I told you it was Exxon and they signed a three year $8.7M deal?

Go oil!

Heck, get two sponsors!

I'd say you got ripped off, they can afford more

Global warming is a myth

oil is good

it's all about the marketing baby

you can spin anything

Well, are there any last questions for Daniel or any other Chatee?

Web 2.0, Green Business, and where they converge

we meandered off it, as we are wont to do

Ryan, what do you think about how we can converge Web 2.0 and Green?

the tools have to be in service of the green

Daniel, just wanted to say thanks for dropping in. I find web 2.0 stuff fascinating and am glad to have (virtually) met you. It's also good to know somebody who knows a little Ajax in case I get me an idear

quick, eveyrone go check their gmail, flickr account, and RSS feeds!

not vice versa

if anyone ever has any technical questions, email me dnewman@gmail.com

or non technical questions

As a quick aside, when I started up my dotcom back in the day ('99), we spent close to half a million on a website that never really came together, it was always 4-6 weeks away

Stephen - or what if it was a totally mainstream service/product that acted ina green way (like if eBay was wind powered and donated 5% of revenue, etc). Or does that, by definition, make them a green business...hmmm.....

we used a team of Russians, they had a n office in Durham, NC (we were in Chapel Hill), and they used a bunch of programmers back home.

offset my ebay

Dibs!

It was a running joke in the company that everything would be done in 4-6 weeks, the ever shrinking-back-from-you deadline

I made offset my iPod which I thought was pretty cool. (though I tend to think things I do are cool anway. Stupid ego)

i think so for ebay, it it acts sustainable it is

Offset My Offset will cover all Offsets, it will be the Mother of All Offsets and it will be mine!!!! /evilLaugh

Ego is good

offset my ego?

Offset My Ego

Hmmm....if Trump alone would by one that would save about half the Amazon....

Jason, you beat me to it!

buy, that one. that is

That's why offset my life is going to be huge. It's fun to come up with quirky offsets

Anyone want to hear some OML insider news?

please

i do! i do!

I think you're right Stephen. I need to keep that in mind as idea flow

Totally

We're adjusting our focus a bit

We're launching, but not giving people the ability to create Custom Offsets at first

at first, we'll have a core of up to 10 Offset Builders who will build very stat driven, research backed Offsets

When you Offset Your Flight, you'll know that someone did a lot of work to make sure you are legit in balancing out your flight

Ha ha! Instead of "Insider news" I read "Insider jokes". I kept waiting for the punch line. ARRRrrr r r

3 months or sooner down the road, we'll open up the ability to create Offsets to everyone

very cool

they will be put into their own category with the warning that anyone can create any Offset, so take Offset My String Cheese Tour with a grain of salt and if you are worried about legitimacy, check their sources

Hmm...that makes sense. I sort of just winged my iPod one (was it that offset that lead to this decision? It was, wasn't it) :-)

:D

and by the time we give the public the right to do it, the system will be super fine tuned and I'll have acore of people to help budding Offset Builders

All the math will be wide open Ryan

almost everything on the site will be, all our sales data will be streamed out via a feed

Well, this has been awesome. I told my wonderful wife that I wouldn't geek out past 10 (Iowa boy). So I have to scoot. Thanks everyone and have a great night

Well, beta testers will have dibs on being real Offset Builders, if you can handle the research :)

Thanks for coming out Jason

'night Jason

Two kinds of Commissions, a Creations Comission and a Sales Comission

It was a blast. See you all next week.

the wind, trees, and land all cost us money, so that money comes out first

then we take out expenses

then we pay comission

I'm out too. Thanks all-before tonight I didn't even know what web 2.0 was. Remember, I'm still in manual labor!

and then profit sharing to the employees

thanks for having me!

then what's left over is corporate booty

Thanks for coming out Pete and Daniel

Wind from Renewable Choice Energy

Land from the Nature Conservancy

Trees from American Forests

All heavy hitter partners

what percentages of funds do you estimate going to each one of the items you just mentioned? or have you worked out the projections that far?

I haven't asked them to

It depends from category to category. I can't go into specific numbers, but I will say that my margins on wind are great, on trees and land terrbile

so translated out that means TNC and AF get most of the money I collect for them

I agree with Ryan on getting some major players involved. It would be a mutually beneficial relationship

Shea, where's more info on the business (forgive me, I'm new to this network)?

No problem Stephen, let me wrestle up a link for you

start from the beginning of those I'd say and you'd get a good idea

thanks

but the short of it is that I'm launching a website that will allow people to buy Offsets made up of wind, land, and trees, to balance out very specific activities

Offset My Coffee is X kWh of wind, X new trees, and X square feet of land per cup

i do

built using stats showing the energy and materials need of a lifecycle of a cup of coffee

I do, very very much do

I am addicted to my feed

my circle of friends is pretty geeky....

I've educated a few, but the vast majority have no idea

some are just picking up on blogs

i'm new to blog world, so only recentl;y

i would say that that is a huge part of web 2.0

as a definitiong

-g

I love my RSS

ineed to head out, dinner is being placed in front of my

laptop

email me if you have any questions... dnewman@gmail.com

I am about to turn into a pumpkin as well.

great meeting you all

sounds like an excellent idea Shea I'll read the posts

Thank you all and good night

Yeah, it shows up as a comment

It sometimes takes a long, long time I've noticed

As a backup you can just create a comment and make it look like a trackback

I wish I was that good about tracking back

Seth Godin is a trackback sending link god

I tell you what

Whenever he posts about something green, there usually isn't a rush of Marketing sites tracking back to him, so I've had good luck then

I get trackback messages weeks and months after the post is made, so I'd just create a comment if I were you. I should probably upgrade to WP 2.0

funny you mention him because NY Times biz section had story on squido yesterday and the biz is where i live. 20 miles north of nyc on the hudson

Squidoo is awesome

Have you poked around it much Stephen?

no just heard about it

times made it seem similar to about.com

they started the story with a beef jerky joke ... that you cant really make money writing about it

It gets a lot of traffic and is growning

gowing

Yikes! It got late. I have to run. Thanks for coming out everyone

See you all here next week

everyone who brings a friend gets a cookie

thanks. good night. ha -- got one already

as long as i get one for my friend, and the rev share too it will all be cool :-)